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PRESIDENTIAL AIDS ADVISORY PANEL REPORT

APPENDIX 1
Internet discussion of the Presidential AIDS Review Panel


Threads of discussion

Author

Topic

Date of posting

Christian Fiala

  • Jorge Perez
  • Christian Fiala

HIV test

17 May 2000

19 May 2000

21 May 2000

David Rasnick

  • Jorge Perez
  • David Rasnick

What's next?

18 May 2000

20 May 2000

21 May 2000

Roberto Giraldo

The Sexual Transmission of AIDS ?

23 May 2000

Moderators

  • David Rasnick
  • Roberto Giraldo
  • Perth Group
  • David Rasnick
  • Perth Group
  • Christian Fiala

Launch of the Internet debate

23 May 2000

24 May 2000

Perth Group

  • Roberto Giraldo
  • Harvey Bialy

The oxidative stress theory and HIV/AIDS

 

24 May 2000

25 May 2000

David Rasnick

Dissidents in the main stream

24 May 2000

Perth Group

Our posting truncated problem with the website

Remainder of oxidative stress

HIV Transmission (parts III and IV)

25 May 2000

David Rasnick

'Room C' discussion?

25 May 2000

Harvey Bialy

Some questions for Drs Gallo, Montagnier & Makgoba

26 May

Perth Group

Comments on suggested experiments

26 May 2000

Sam Mhlongo

Cofactors: HIV/AIDS Debate

26 May 2000

Peter Duesberg

  • David Rasnick
  • Ray Mabope
  • Roberto Giraldo

Next panel meeting

27 May 2000

30 May 2000

31 May 2000

Roberto Giraldo

The origin of the 'transmission' of AIDS

27 May 2000

David Rasnick

  • Roberto Giraldo
  • Perth Group
  • Ray Mabope

Topics deleted

27 May 2000

28 May 2000

30 May 2000

Robert Giraldo

  • Harvey Bialy

Tests for HIV are highly inaccurate

28 May 2000

Harvey Bialy

Questions for Drs Gallo, Montagnier & Kakgoba

28 May 2000

Robert Giraldo

Questions for the moderators

29 May 2000

Robert Giraldo

'Cofactors' cause AIDS

29 May 2000

David Rasnick

Defenders of HIV, where are you?

30 May 2000

David Rasnick

  • Ayanda Ntsaluba

Thanks to moderators

31 May 2000

ML Kothari

Issues for the next HIV meeting

31 May 2000

Harvey Bialy

  • Christian Fiala

A request of South African epidemiologists

31 May 2000

Moderators

  • Harvey Bialy
  • David Rasnick

Moderators perspective

1 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

Protease Inhibitors and magical cures

2 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

Circumcision and AIDS in Africa

2 June 2000

10 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • Harvey Bialy
  • Roberto Giraldo
    • Harvey Bialy
    • Roberto Giraldo

Animal models of AIDS

3 June 2000

 

 

7 June 2000

David Rasnick

Overwhelming evidence

3 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

More on protease inhibitors / AIDS docs take note

4 June 2000

David Rasnick

1992 AIDS peaked in USA

4 June 2000

David Rasnick

Decline in AIDS deaths

4 June 2000

Moderators

  • Joseph Sonnabend
  • Harvey Bialy
  • David Rasnick
  • Roberto Giraldo

Moderators perspective

5 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

  • Gordon Stewart

The overwhelming evidence is presented here

5 June 2000

6 June 2000

David Rasnick

Break the silence

5 June 2000

David Rasnick

New folks, Welcome!

6 June 2000

ML Kothari

  • Zena stein
  • David Rasnick

Dr Rasnick's call to break the silence

A measure of success?

6 June 2000

9 June 2000

10 June 2000

Helpdesk

  • David Rasnick
  • Gordon Stewart
  • Harvey Bialy
  • Harvey Bialy
  • Helpdesk
  • Roberto Giraldo

Website problems that are experienced by the panel

 

 

How do we send graphic files?

Website problems that are experienced by the panel

6 June 2000

 

 

 

14 June 2000

7 June 2000

C Koehnlein

  • Joseph Sonnabend
  • David Rasnick
  • Harvey

Re: J Sonnabend

6 June 2000

7 June 2000

8 June 2000

Robert Giraldo

  • Zena Stein

Breastfeeding and AIDS in Africa

7 June 2000

9 June 2000

Perth Group

  • Harvey Bialy

Agenda for proposed July meeting

7 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • Charles Geshekter
  • Zena Stein

TB versus AIDS in South Africa

7 June 2000

9June 2000

David Rasnick

Anti-HIV drugs fail in children

7 June 2000

David Rasnick

Malaria versus AIDS

7 June 2000

Sam Mhlongo

  • C Koehnlein

Perth-Group versus William Makgoba HIV/AIDS debate

7 June 2000

8 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

AIDS among US ethnic Minorities

8 June 2000

Perth Group

  • Harvey Bialy
  • David Rasnick

First comments on revised NIH document

8 June 2000

David Rasnick

Pregnant monkeys exposed to AZT

8 June 2000

David Rasnick

HIV protease inhibitors and diabetes

8 June 2000

Alan Whiteside

  • Roberto Giraldo
  • Harvey Bialy
  • David Rasnick
  • Christian Fiala
  • Harvey Bialy
  • Charles Geshekter

Increased mortality

 

 

Increased mortality due to what?

Increased mortality

8 June 2000

 

9 June 2000

11 June 2000

12 June 2000

Moderators

  • Joseph Sonnabend
  • Harvey Bialy
  • Harvey Bialy
  • David Rasnick
  • Harvey Bialy
  • Harvey Bialy
    • Moderators

  • Jorge Perez
  • Peter Duesberg
  • Christian Fiala
  • David Rasnick
  • Helene Gayle
  • David Rasnick
  • Helene Gayle

Moderators perspective

 

An apology

Moderators perspective

 

 

 

 

Where are the data from SA?

Firmly established strategy

Moderators perspective

Should we worry?

Moderators perspective

9 June 2000

 

11 June 2000

9 June 2000

16 June 2000

19 June 2000

10 June 2000

 

 

13 June 2000

14 June 2000

13 June 2000

Sam Mhlongo

  • Gordon Stewart

Perth Group vs William Makgoba

9 June 2000

11 June 2000

Joseph Sonnabend

  • David Rasnick
  • Harvey Bialy
  • Alan Whiteside
  • Harvey Bialy

Associated infections, poverty and HIV

9 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

  • Roberto Giraldo
  • Harvey Bialy

EUREKA

9 June 2000

10 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

Six questions refried & reposted

9 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

The causes of AIDS

9 June 2000

Carolyn Williamson

  • David Rasnick
  • Carolyn Williamson
    • Harvey Bialy
    • David Rasnick

  • Harvey Bialy

The virus

9 June 2000

10 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

The overwhelming evidence against, or 'a rose by any other name'

10 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

Question to moderators

10 June 2000

David Rasnick

HIV innocent of crime of AIDS

10 June 2000

David Rasnick

Exhibit B for the defense

10 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • Harvey Bialy

Exhibit C for the defense

 

ML Kothari

  • Roberto Giraldo

Alleged moderation of the debate

10 June 2000

11 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • Harvey Bialy

Exhibit D for the defense

11 June 2000

13 June 2000

David Rasnick

Witnesses for the defense

11 June 2000

Joseph Sonnabend

  • Joseph Sonnabend
  • Peter Duesberg
    • Joseph Sonnabend
    • Charles Geshekter
    • Harvey Bialy
    • Peter Duesberg
    • Joseph Sonnabend
      • Harvey Bialy

  • David Rasnick
  • Joseph Sonnabend
    • David Rasnick
    • J Sonnabend
      • David Rasnick
      • J Sonn…
      • D Rasnick

    • Harvey Bialy
    • Harvey Bialy

  • Joseph Sonnabend

Heterosexual transmission: Differences in Africa

 

 

 

Your first question

Heterosexual transmission: Differences in Africa

 

An honourable contribution

Progress

 

 

 

Prescribed drugs

Your 1st question

Progress

An honourable contribution

11 June 2000

12 June 2000

13 June 2000

 

 

15 June 2000

16 June 2000

12 June 2000

13 June 2000

14 June 2000

 

 

13 June 2000

16 June 2000

12 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

The natural history of AIDS

12 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

  • Ray Mabope
  • Charles Geshekter
  • Helpdesk

Moderators: Where are you?

12 June 2000

 

14 June 2000

David Rasnick

Witness for the defense

12 June 2000

Perth Group

  • David Rasnick

Questioning the HIV/AIDS theory

To the majority

12 June 2000

ML Kothari

HIV causes AIDS (!)

12 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • C Koehnlein

Textbook on HIV/AIDS

12 June 2000

13 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • Etienne de Harven
  • Roberto Giraldo

Witness for the defense

13 June 2000

14 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • Harvey Bialy

Witness for the defense

Collaboratory testimony

13 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

Anti-retrovirals cause AIDS

14 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

An explanation for why the majority pretends uninterested

14 June 2000

Perth Group

  • Ray Mabope (Robert Root-Bernstein)

The NIH and Montagnier's virus

14 June 2000

15 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • Roberto Giraldo

Televise the next meeting

15 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

The Orwellina Coovadia

15 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • Harvey Bialy

  • David Rasnick

Root-Bernstein

Good point!

15 June 2000

16 June 2000

Alan Whiteside

  • Harvey Bialy
  • Roberto Giraldo
  • Alan Whiteside
    • Roberto Giraldo

  • Charles Geshekter
  • Harvey Bialy
  • Alan Whiteside

Evidence on increased mortality

 

 

 

 

 

More on increased mortality

15 June 2000

16 June 2000

 

18 June 2000

25 June 2000

26 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

Some words from the truly wise, with a comment from the merely inquisitive

15 June 2000

Perth Group

  • David Rasnick

Answering Root-Bernstein

Check task team

16 June 2000

Joseph Sonnabend

  • David Rasnick
  • Joseph Sonnabend
  • Peter Duesberg
  • Joseph Sonnabend
    • Harvey Bialy

  • C Koehnlein
  • Perth Group

A physician's perspective

Visit your facility

 

 

There you go again

A physician's perspective

16 June 2000

17 June 2000

 

18 June 2000

Perth Group

NIH and 'HIV' antibodies + experiments

16 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

An effective treatment of AIDS

17 June 2000

David Rasnick

Witness for the defense

17 June 2000

David Rasnick

Before it's over

17 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

  • Harvey Bialy
  • Harvey Bialy

A reply to Prof Makgoba

Correction

Addendum

17 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

  • C Koehnlein

Witness for the prosecution

17 June 2000

18 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

  • The moderators
  • Carolyn Williamson

Everybody is HIV- positive

18 June 2000

23 June 2000

26 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

  • Alan Whiteside
  • Harvey Bialy

A general question

18 June 2000

19 June 2000

Etienne de Harven

Answering Root-Bernstein

18 June 2000

David Rasnick

Summary dismissal of the charges

18 June 2000

Perth Group

Perth group postings

19 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

An effective prevention of AIDS

19 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

A final few words about the 'data in the public domain'

19 June 2000

Stefano Bertozzi

  • David Rasnick
  • Harvey Bialy
  • C Koehnlein
  • Harvey Bialy

How to be helpful?

19 June 2000

 

20 June 2000

21 June 2000

Perth Group

NIH and 'HIV' antibodies + experiments

19 June 2000

ML Kothari

Suppressio Veri - Suggestio falsi

19 June 2000

Etienne de Harven

Statement

19 June 2000

Etienne de Harven

Proposal #1

19 June 2000

Etienne de Harven

Proposal #2

19 June 2000

David Rasnick

What does all of this mean for South Africa

20 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • The moderators
  • Elephant or mouse

Is there a role for consensus in science?

20 June 2000

23 June 2000

Perth Group

Answer to Bob Root-Bernstein

20 June 2000

Moderators

  • Peter Duesberg
  • Joseph Sonnabend
  • David Rasnick
  • Roberto Giraldo
  • The moderators

Some specific questions

20 June 2000

 

 

21 June 2000

23 June 2000

ML Kothari

  • Harvey Bialy

All ART is cytotoxic

20 June 2000

Etienne de Harven

  • Harvey Bialy

Proposal #3

20 June 2000

Ray Mabope

  • David Rasnick
  • Roberto Giraldo
    • Ray Mabope
      • P Duesberg
      • Harvey Bialy

  • Perth Group

July meeting

20 June 2000

 

21 June 2000

Perth Group

Questions for the moderators

21 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

Some possible trials

21 June 2000

Perth Group

  • J Sonnabend

Comments on Joe Sonnabend's posting

Reply

21 June 2000

ML Kothari

Waxing/waning on vaccine/ART

21 June 2000

Peter Duesberg

  • Harvey Bialy

Panellists engaged in pogrom of non-HIV-AIDS minorities

21 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

  • Harvey Bialy
  • Harvey Bialy
  • Harvey Bialy

A copy of a letter to Helene Gayle and William Makgoba

A reply from Prof Makgoba

A reply from Dr Gayle

Further words from Prof Makgoba

21 June 2000

22 June 2000

23 June 2000

David Rasnick

The Cold War of AIDS

21 June 2000

David Rasnick

Flights to Johannesburg

21 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

A query of Drs Gayle and Bertozzi in light of their signing the Durban declaration

22 June 2000

ML Kothari

  • Lynn Morris
  • Roberto Giraldo
  • Peter Duesberg
    • The moderators
    • Carolyn Williamson
      • D Rasnick
      • H Bialy
      • C Williamson

    • Lynn Morris

  • Perth Group
  • Etienne de Harven
  • J Sonnabend
  • David Rasnick
    • J Sonnabend
    • David Rasnick
      • J Sonnabend
      • D Rasnick

  • Perth Group
  • Etienne de Harven
  • Roberto Giraldo

Bottomline on HIV-AIDS

 

 

 

Response to the moderators

Moder of AIDS

Response to the moderators

Bottomline on HIV-AIDS

Questions to Dr Morris

Bottomline on HIV-AIDS

How big a benefit?

It's your patients I'm asking about

We are getting closer

Bottomline on HIV-AIDS

22 June 2000

 

 

23 June 2000

 

 

 

25 June 2000

23 June 2000

22 June 2000

23 June 2000

 

 

 

Peter Duesberg

  • Joseph Sonnabend
  • Peter Duesberg
    • Joseph Sonnabend

The African AIDS epidemic: New and contagious or old under a new name?

23 June 2000

 

24 June 2000

Perth Group

Response to nature's open letter to President Mbeki

23 June 2000

Perth Group

No evidence that HIV originated from African monkies

23 June 2000

Andrew Herxheimer

  • Peter Duesberg

A personal statement and a suggestion

23 June 2000

24 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

Finally an answer from William Makgoba from my frequently posted six questions on HIV/AIDS etiology

23 June 2000

Ray Mabope

  • Harvey Bialy
  • Joseph Sonnabend
  • Ray Mabope

Input from Prof Makgoba

Am I missing something

Input from Prof Makgoba

23 June 2000

24 June 2000

25 June 2000

Ray Mabope

Input from Prof Salim Abdool-Karim

23 June 2000

David Rasnick

Moderators as advocates? De-cloak thyself

23 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

A particularly telling exchange between Perth & Makgoba

24 June 2000

Moderators

  • Harvey Bialy
  • Peter Duesberg

Correction

24 June 2000

Ray Mabope (for Prof Salim Abdool-Karim)

  • Peter Duesberg
  • Ray Mabope (for Prof Salim Abdool-Karim)
  • Roberto Giraldo
    • Ray Mabope

  • Harvey Bialy
    • Harvey Bialy

  • David Rasnick

Similarities and differences in the patters of HIV/AIDS epidemics: South Africa compared to Western Europe and the USA

 

 

 

 

 

Addendum

Prof Salim Abdool-Karim

24 June 2000

 

 

 

 

 

25 June 2000

Ray Mabope (for Prof Luc Montagnier)

  • Harvey Bialy
  • David Rasnick
  • Ray Mabope
  • Peter Duesberg
  • David Rasnick
  • Ray Mabope

Facts, figures and propositions about AIDS

 

Prof Luc Montagnier

Facts, figures and propositions about AIDS

On behalf of Montagnier

24 June 2000

 

 

25 June 2000

David Rasnick

  • Peter Duesberg
  • Harvey Bialy
    • David Rasnick

One more experiment

25 June 2000

26 June 2000

27 June 2000

Peter Duesberg

Drug holidays? Or why even the HIV/AIDS orthodoxy isn't all bad

25 June 2000

Christian Fiala

Epidemiological evidence against heterosexual transmission of HIV and against prevention-campaigns

26 June 2000

Etienne de Harven

  • Peter Duesberg

Durban Declaration

25 June 2000

Perth Group

Does HIV exist? Reply to Peter Duesberg and the case against.

26 June 2000

Lynn Morris

  • Peter Duesberg
  • Perth Group

Former dissidents take HAART

26 June 2000

27 June 2000

Ray Mabope (for Drs AD Mbewu, P Onyebujoh, SP Reddy, S Singh and P Matchaba)

  • Etienne de Harven

The South African response to HIV/AIDS

26 June 2000


27 June 2000

Lynn Morris

  • Carolyn Williamson
  • Alan Whiteside
  • David Rasnick
  • Peter Duesberg
    • Harvey Bialy

Panel meeting and format and topics

26 June 2000

 

 

27 June 2000

Perth Group

No proof for simian AIDS

26 June 2000

Etienne de Harven

Durban declaration

26 June 2000

Roberto Giraldo

Is HIV 69 years old?

27 June 2000

Ray Mabope (for Helene Gayle)

Perinatal prevention

27 June 2000

Ray Mabope (for Helene Gayle)

Blood safety

27 June 2000

Ray Mabope (for Helene Gayle)

  • Carolyn Williamson
  • Harvey Bialy

Surveillance

UNAIDS stats

27 June 2000

28 June 2000

Ray Mabope (for Helene Gayle)

  • Roberto Giraldo

Prevention of sexual transmission

27 June 2000

28 June 2000

ML Khotari

Principles governing HIV debate

27 June 2000

Ray Mabope (for Helene Gayle)

Post exposure prophylaxis

27 June 2000

David Rasnick

Ray Mabope

27 June 2000

Zena Stein

  • Etienne de Harven
  • Harvey Bialy
  • Peter Duesberg

Preventing HIV in infants

27 June 2000

28 June 2000

Zena Stein

Causal inference

27 June 2000

Lynn Morris

  • Peter Duesberg
  • Lynn Morris

Factors affecting transmission and progression

27 June 2000

28 June 2000

Ray Mabope

  • Etienne de Harven
  • Ray Mabope

Details of the July meeting

27 June 2000

28 June 2000

Lynn Morris

HIV ELISAs

27 June 2000

Harvey Bialy

The rash of sudden posts

28 June 2000

Christian Fiala

Answer to Prof Salim Abdool-Karim

28 June 2000

Perth Group

SIV and SAIDS

28 June 2000

Alan Whiteside

The agenda

28 June 2000

Ray Mabope (for Prof W Makgoba)

  • Roberto Giraldo
  • Peter Duesberg

HIV testing

28 June 2000

Sam Mhlongo

Role of media

28 June 2000

Sam Mhlongo

Virginity tests

28 June 2000

Sam Mhlongo

Pre-determined outcome HIV/AIDS debate

28 June 2000

Sam Mhlongo

The shocking truth about protease inhibitors… a visual 'wake-up-call'

28 June 2000

David Rasnick

CDCs documented deception (and upload of document)

28 June 2000

Sam Mhlongo

  • Peter Duesberg

The Durban declaration vs the Presidential AIDS Panel

28 June 2000

29 June 2000

Sam Mhlongo

  • Peter Duesberg

Cofactors: HIV/AIDS debate

28 June 2000

29 June 2000

Sam Mhlongo

  • Peter Duesberg

Jose Zuniga? Private Internet co-owner

28 June 2000

Sam Mhlongo

?? Micrograph of the HIV

28 June 2000

David Rasnick

One more experiment revisited

28 June 2000

Zena Stein

Causal inference

28 June 2000

Zena Stein

Preventing HIV in infants

28 June 2000

Zena Stein

Agenda

28 June 2000

Zena Stein

Preventing mother-to-child transmission

28 June 2000

Zena Stein

Preventing HIV in infants - continuation

28 June 2000

Zena Stein

  • Peter Duesberg

Causal inference

28 June 2000

29 June 2000

Zena Stein

  • David Rasnick
  • Peter Duesberg

Causal inference - continuation

Is this your best evidence?

28 June 2000

29 June 2000

Ray Mabope

Nominations of presenters on the topics

29 June 2000

Ray Mabope

  • Robert Root-Bernstein
  • Robert Root-Bernstein
  • Ray Mabope

Wind down discussions

Final comments

Wind down discussions

29 June 2000

 

30 June 2000

Ray Mabope

Programme for the panel meeting

29 June 2000

Christian Fiala

  • Ray Mabope

The future of this forum

9 July 2000

20 July 2000

Anthipi Pouris

  • Elliot Small

Draft AIDS report for comments

31 August 2000

12 September 2000

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